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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:32 pm 
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:love: :love: :hyper: I absolutly love my X410, Elvin, and X950 that I got from JMM. I wear coke bottle glasses and I can still tell they are near mint as they come. Great guitars. thanks JMM If he tires of the phoenix I will always be around. thanks

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 6:41 pm 
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For the record, I've never ripped anybody off! I 'rate' my guitars as part of my collecting hobby.....buts it's all purely subjective. I've sold 5 Electras in the past couple years and am still in the red...if anything, that's 'paying forward'....


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 6:48 pm 
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My rating system (approximately):

10 = new - never played except by setup tech; no marks

9.5 = bought by someone new as a '10' (or 9.5) and rarely if ever played. Maybe a couple light pick marks but no other marks or wear of any kind.

9.0 = a guitar in very good condition with a couple minor marks (eg a couple minor indents (pin head size) , a few light belt scratches on back, etc); older guitars are given a little more leaway

.5 deduction for EACH item of substantial note (like a big chip) or grouping of a certain type of marking (eg 3 minor but noticeable scratches or minor chips, more advanced belt worming, noteworthy fret wear, binding issues, etc). 

1.0 deduction for EACH major item (large finish cracks, severe chip or gouge, structural issues, electronics problems, etc)

*minor adjustments between the .5's of final score based on severity or lack thereof on items of note.

**Additional consideration and score adjusted up or down based on age, manufacturer, original list price, rarity, playability and originality. 

So basically it's 'art' and not 'science'. But for those who take guitar grading seriously, I have found general agreement on ratings of specific guitars.....but for most it's maybe just a 'gut call'  based on experience. Maybe I should patent my system: "The JMM dont get ripped off guitar rating system"....


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:00 pm 
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That seems like a pretty reasonable system you have JMM. I agree it's an art. Pictures are still worth 1000 words though. Your 8.0 could (and frequently is) somebody else's 9.0. I like to factor in other things too besides just cosmetics. Solid electronics and nice sounding pickups as well as general playability always make me think better of a beat up guitar - It's just next to impossible to quantify.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 9:13 pm 
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Thanks Jead. I've probably given too much thought to the cosmetics. I do agree playability and tone can make a beat up guitar much more valuable. But like you said that's nearly impossible to quantify and is different for everybody.
....which brings us back to 'plays like butter'. BTW, I think only a 24 3/4 (or less) scale guitar could ever really 'play like butter', especially with very light gauge strings. But then again I've played some really smooth strats. I've never really figured out why some are so smooth and others not after you factor out string gauge and scale...there seems to be something else - radious/shape, fret width/height, nut, string height, neck angle, wood type.....it all needs to come together perfectly to really be 'buttery'...

Sad to say I've used the 'thinning the herd' expression. I think that's an acceptable description of why you would sell a guitar. I often end up with too much stuff and just run out of room for things.....just like hunting season - simple population control...


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 6:57 am 
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JMM...not sure if you understood my reverse humor about wanting to "get ripped off" on an X910 - I was just playing on Jack's kidding about the recent Electra he got from you that turned out to be better than you had conservatively rated it. Sorry if there was any mix up, in no way was I referencing any actual guitar deals - just wishing I could grab an X910 even if it means paying way too much for a below par example. Again, I apologize if you thought anything otherwise.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:57 pm 
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Thanks InvisbleEmpire. I figured it was humor, but justed wanted to make it perfectly clear for anybody else stumbling onto this thread some day. Plus, it gave me the chance to ramble on about my rating system a little:)

The x190 is an interesting guitar with it's 3 way blade and fat on switch. It's a little more flexible than the typical 5 way anyway. Now that I think about it I don't recall having seen one in a while.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:09 pm 
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Oops! No wonder there was some confusion - I meant X910 not X190, so now you may see the humor JMM. Almost no one has ever even seen the X910 Derringer, so the chance to get one, even if in a bad deal, would still be a welcome one.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 8:17 pm 
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At this point almost any sighting of the infamous and elusive X910 would be worth a run at. I have only seen one that was in well played shape at best and I passed it up. Hindsight is always 20/20 as I decide to wait for a better example. I am still waiting lol.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 4:00 pm 
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This is just getting to be to much...

Here is a guy "thinning the herd" by dumping a MIM Strat that "plays like butter" of course:

http://charleston.craigslist.org/msg/2100872903.html

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