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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:02 am 
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Hello from Kansas,

I'm 57 and started playing guitar when I was 10. Back in the 70's I played in many bands and played a Electra White Zephyr(2264) with the "open book" headstock. Not sure whatever happened to it but I've been wanting to get another for years. Well I finally bought one yesterday but they guy is keeping the pickups, not the original anyway, and the bridge has been replaced. He is sending the original bridge. Some screws missing off the original bridge is my understanding.

Anyway, I want to restore it as close to original as I can. I'm also concerned about the pots and wiring. I'm looking for both a bridge & neck pickup of the same vintage. I's also like to see if there might be some pictures that would show how they were wired? Maybe someone has a White Zephyr they could take pictures of the pots and wiring? Also looking to find out what year my new 2264 is?

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Here is some pictures of the new 2264

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:06 am 
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Welcome. Pups turn up from time to time on e-bay and the for sale section here. Member Shacklton had some a week or so ago. I don't know if they sold. Pups of this vintage have a tendency to become microphonic. You may want to wax pot the new pups before you put them in.

I am pretty sure that your guitar used standard Les Paul wiring. Here is one: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt ... CDsQ9QEwBg

The wire colors will vary with the pups so some investigation with a multi meter may be necessary if they are more than two conductor pups.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:53 am 
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Thanks Workingman.

Here is a couple pictures of the one I had back in the 70's

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:54 pm 
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Great pics. Love the behind the head shot.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:12 pm 
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I have a set of pickups!


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Nice axes - both the new and the older one - (great pics) -

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:24 am 
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I don't know how original my zephyre is. I bought mine missing the neck.
I can try to get a pic of the wiring later today though.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:34 am 
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Hmm. I don't know how helpful just the pics will be.
All of the wires are shielded and no wire colors are visible.
So, it's gonna look like the shielded wire goes to the other shielded wire which then goes into the body.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:59 am 
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That's OK Fix I think with Workingman's link, and I can always open up my Les Paul, I'll figure it out. I added the 3rd pickup years ago on my old one but I don't think I'll do that on this one.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:39 am 
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Yup - I believe workingman is correct - standard LP wiring. Do I detect a Sienna Sunburst Strat on your wall?


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:00 am 
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I have a set of pickups as well. I bought an elvin bishop model with the original pickups that are both covered from the same era (open book headstock). These have already been potted (back to the statement earlier that these pickups need potting). The pickups both read around the 8K mark which is pretty standard I think for these models. If you are interested let me know, as I am putting expensive aftermarket Sheptone replacements in my Elvin Bishop (it has other parts changed on it already). PM me or email me if interested.

As far as the bridge, they come up from time to time. But the best replacement usually is a standard Gotoh metric tuneomatic bridge. You can get them from http://www.stewmac.com and they are not expensive. You can also use most generic metric replacements as well - but the Gotoh may be *slightly* better quality. The only "trick" is you have to use the mounting posts included with your new bridge - and screw those into the bushings that are currently in your guitar. If you try to use the posts included with your guitar they will not work correctly. But the threads of the included bushings and spacing are usually a standard size. Let's say I have never had this NOT work and I have worked on many many Electra LP copies. This still looks right, and actually plays as good or better.

Even cheap thinner (ABR sized, and usually have a retaining wire for the saddle screws) metric bridges will work in a pinch, but they won't quite have the mass or the intonation range of the more modern wider metric tuneomatics. Some people are fine with ABR styles - the tone is slightly brighter sometimes and some people like that. But quality on the really inexpensive stuff is all over the place. They generally do fit if they are metric and you use their posts. The metric ones have the style of posts that are wider and adjust by a flat screw driver from the top.

As far as pots - full size 500K Alpha pots (most use Audio or "A" taper) should be very close to the original quality pots that may or may not be in there. These should fit original holes and knobs. The original pots seldom go bad, they usually work fine after a few squirts of Caig Deoxit DN-5 or D-5 electronics cleaner. Squirt some inside the pot opening near the terminals, and move the pot back and forth for the full travel until it loosens up and is smooth. Generally 5-10 times is fine. Wiring is just like a Les Paul. You can go to a "50s" style LP wiring if you want to retain your highs a little better when the volume pots are decreased (a slight variation of the modern wiring of the tone pot and cap). Either Modern, or Vintage 50s will work fine.

The tailpiece is different slightly from the new ones, so use the original if you have it. If not, you will have to find one from an Electra or similar or you will have to buy a new generic metric one and replace it (bushings and all). Be careful if you pull the bushings out. There are guides on youtube how to do it more safely. But if you go that route, you may have to slightly drill out the bushing hole for the new bushing size. Be careful, and use tape over the paint so as not to chip it as badly. Look how to do that online. You may get lucky and NOT have to drill it out. I have had to do this before, so that is why I say this.

If the input jack is intermittent I generally change it with a stiffer switchcraft model. Sometimes these require a slightly larger hole. I generally keep the tree-way switch, although the full sized replacements are a lot better quality than the "box" type used by all japanese makers during this time. It wouldn't hurt to put in a newer one, especially if it gets intermittent. Another area of change are the tuning keys. These are substandard on this model compared to modern ones to most people. If you feel that way a good set of Gotohs or similar quality aftermarket ones might help your guitar stay in tune better. If you are going for as stock as possible and don't mind the covered keys that are stock, then by all means keep it standard.

That should be a killer guitar - even if you have to replace a few parts.

Good luck.

BTW - Grrrooooooooovy threads Man! :D

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:28 pm 
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Thanks for all the info it will help once I look it over and decide what stays and what goes.

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